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From: vadik likholetov <vadim.likholetov@unikie.com>
To: Alyssa Ross <alyssa.ross@unikie.com>
Cc: devel@spectrum-os.org
Subject: Re: Firefox appVM patches and appVM refactoring
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2022 09:41:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <W1GIMR.26XVN4YFI0CQ1@unikie.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221206202545.lb53nydhf7c2rd7i@x220>

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On ti, joulu 6 2022 at 20.25.45 +00:00:00, Alyssa Ross 
<alyssa.ross@unikie.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 06, 2022 at 10:12:49PM +0200, Vadim Likholetov wrote:
>>  I’ll try to explain — running as user is not just dropping the 
>> priviledges, it is about preparing the environment - making home 
>> directory, fixing permissions, allocating pty-s in case of 
>> interactive sessions, setting environment variables.
>>  Many system daemons like dbus, pipewire , etc has their 
>> system-level  and user-level parts and we should manage this 
>> separately — and it is our nearest future if we want some complex 
>> user environments to run on Spectrum, and possibly the packages for 
>> this daemons will extend this environment transparent to the user.
>> 
>>   So it’s s another form of encapsulation like we discussed about 
>> making a separate layer for wayland.
> 
> Ah, thanks for the explanation.  I understand now!
> 
> You're quite right about running user daemons like PipeWire.
> I think to manage those, we'd want to run a user-level s6(-rc) 
> instance,
> so that the services are supervised, and can therefore be restarted if
> they crash, and dependencies can be taken care of, and logs can be
> managed however that should work.
> 
> Let's try adding PipeWire, D-Bus etc. daemons straight to the img/app
> image?  It's intended to be the default image for running 
> applications,
> so anything that an application is likely to expect to be running 
> should
> be provided by that image by default.  And then later on, when it 
> comes
> up, we can figure out how to support adding extra services, or whether
> we should support removing default services from the image, etc.  How
> does that sound?

  Sounds good if we add both user and system parts of dbus or pipewire 
subsystem -- the system part when the system    starts and the user 
part when the user "logs in".
 Adding it only to system part doesn't make sense IMO.
  I can try to prototype it on the basis of s6 features if we agree 
about architecure :)
-- 
vadik likholetov


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  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-07  7:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-04 22:42 Vadim Likholetov
2022-12-06 11:42 ` Alyssa Ross
2022-12-06 13:56   ` Vadim Likholetov
2022-12-06 15:18     ` Alyssa Ross
2022-12-06 15:20 ` Alyssa Ross
2022-12-06 15:57   ` Vadim Likholetov
2022-12-06 17:10     ` Alyssa Ross
2022-12-06 20:12       ` Vadim Likholetov
2022-12-06 20:25         ` Alyssa Ross
2022-12-07  7:41           ` vadik likholetov [this message]
2022-12-06 20:19       ` Vadim Likholetov
2022-12-06 20:31         ` Developer-friendliness Alyssa Ross
2022-12-07  7:46           ` Developer-friendliness vadik likholetov
2022-12-06 20:59         ` Developer-friendliness Michael Raskin
2022-12-06 21:14           ` Developer-friendliness Alyssa Ross
2022-12-06 22:05           ` Developer-friendliness Michael Raskin
2022-12-07  8:04       ` Firefox appVM patches and appVM refactoring Ville Ilvonen
2022-12-07 11:09         ` vadik likholetov

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