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From: "Michał \"rysiek\" Woźniak" <rysiek@hackerspace.pl>
To: discuss@spectrum-os.org
Subject: Re: Comparison to Qubes OS
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 12:02:38 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6017c296-7bcf-3f11-8410-9380ad4ee2a6@hackerspace.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <159196284966.15924.16876974660333010445@localhost>


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Hey,

On 6/12/20 11:54 AM, infokiller wrote:
> Michał "rysiek" Woźniak wrote:
>> Running virtual machines is extremely resource-intensive, there's no way around it.
>
> But if the issues stem from running VMs (and not switching from Xen), they won't be resolved with Spectrum's current design, right?

Right you are about the performance issues *I think*. I would however expect
hardware compatibility to improve with kvm.

But I'd love somebody more knowledgeable to shed some light here.

>> I feel one needs to be an expert to use QubesOS, but a regular user (with some
>> basic training) can use a Mint or Ubuntu-based system. And I think it makes a
>> lot of sense to offer a middle ground.
>
> Agreed, but I think the current design of Spectrum may improve Qubes' hardware issues, but not the other issues the doc mentions. Possibly switching to containers (which something like gVisor) may solve some of the other issues of Qubes, though that would further degrade security.

Fun fact, containers were in fact initially considered. :-)

Here's a good blogpost from Alyssa on why move to kvm, and the advantages of it
over Xen: https://alyssa.is/back-from-cccamp-2019/

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Best
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-12 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-12 11:06 joweill
2020-06-12 11:28 ` Michał "rysiek" Woźniak
2020-06-12 11:54   ` infokiller ​
2020-06-12 12:02     ` Michał "rysiek" Woźniak [this message]
2020-06-13 11:19       ` Alyssa Ross
2020-06-13 11:38 ` Alyssa Ross
2020-06-14 20:19   ` infokiller ​
2020-06-14 21:27     ` Alyssa Ross
2020-06-14 22:19       ` Michał "rysiek" Woźniak
2020-06-15  1:59         ` infokiller ​
2020-06-15  1:54       ` infokiller ​
2020-06-14 21:13   ` Michael Raskin
2020-06-15  1:33     ` infokiller ​
2020-06-15 11:38     ` Michael Raskin
2020-06-15 13:44       ` infokiller ​
2020-06-15 14:06         ` Michał "rysiek" Woźniak
2020-06-15 15:07           ` infokiller ​
2020-06-15 14:42       ` Michael Raskin
2020-06-15 15:29         ` infokiller ​

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