From: Thomas Leonard <talex5@gmail.com>
To: Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is>
Cc: Michael Raskin <7c6f434c@mail.ru>, discuss@spectrum-os.org
Subject: Re: New user getting started questions
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 16:12:30 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG4opy_iP3wavAKiJ6oYpZGKzaK4JADMqBmFAkmZsvgwmPqSOw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871r3nq77p.fsf@alyssa.is>
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 at 11:09, Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is> wrote:
>
> Thomas Leonard <talex5@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 at 12:59, Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thomas Leonard <talex5@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 at 11:37, Alyssa Ross <hi@alyssa.is> wrote:
> > [...]
> >> >> Also, I've been following some Qubes work recently, and it sounds like
> >> >> they might be interested in doing X11 over Wayland in a way that
> >> >> wouldn't need special compositor support (and the corresponding
> >> >> potential for security bugs). It sounds like it would be a lot of work
> >> >> though, so we'll see…
> >> >
> >> > Isn't that what Sommelier and wayland-proxy-virtwl are both doing
> >> > already though? There's no need for any X11 support in the host
> >> > compositor with them.
> >>
> >> Oh I didn't realise that. So the host compositor doesn't have to
> >> implement an X11 window manager and speak back to the Xserver, like it
> >> does in a normal XWayland setup[1]?
> >
> > Correct; the proxy acts as the X11 window manager to Xwayland, and
> > just talks plain Wayland to the host. In fact, I managed to work
> > around several problems with Sway's built-in Xwayland integration by
> > using the proxy instead, even on the host (see
> > https://roscidus.com/blog/blog/2021/10/30/xwayland/#bonus-features).
> >
> >> [1]: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/ch05.html#sect-X11-Application-Support-architecture
>
> Ah, I now realise you explained all of this in your blog post. Sorry
> for the silly questions!
>
> By the way, I'm very curious about "[com] is a SpectrumOS VM I use for
> email, etc.". _I_ don't even consider myself to be running Spectrum,
> because as far as I'm concerned there's no integrated system to run yet.
> So what's in that VM that you consider to be Spectrum? :)
Well, I think of it as a spectrum VM, but I guess it has changed a
bit! It's based on your demo VM from early 2021, running Wayfire under
Sommelier. Except I replaced Sommelier with my proxy, and I removed
Wayfire. Instead, it runs "socat vsock-listen:5000 exec:dash" in a
loop and I can launch programs inside it from the host by writing to
the vsock. e.g. I have a "ff-com" command to launch Firefox in the com
VM. It's a bit more Qubes-like than Spectrum really. I also got it to
get the applications from the main NixOS repository, as they're more
up-to-date, and I replaced the kernel with a newer one because I
needed better io_uring support for another project. But your basic
build structure and execline boot scripts are still there!
It was a useful skeleton, but now I understand how it works, I should
probably replace it with something more standard...
--
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-11 18:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-01-05 19:27 Thomas Leonard
2021-01-05 20:09 ` Michael Raskin
2021-01-06 7:04 ` Alyssa's break Alyssa Ross
2021-01-06 9:11 ` Michał "rysiek" Woźniak
2021-01-06 7:00 ` New user getting started questions Alyssa Ross
2021-01-06 15:56 ` Thomas Leonard
2021-01-07 11:38 ` Thomas Leonard
2021-01-07 15:33 ` Thomas Leonard
2021-01-14 12:29 ` Alyssa Ross
2021-01-14 12:51 ` Alyssa Ross
2021-01-20 13:04 ` Thomas Leonard
2021-01-27 17:31 ` Thomas Leonard
2021-03-07 12:52 ` Thomas Leonard
2021-03-09 16:59 ` Qubes-lite With KVM and Wayland Alyssa Ross
2021-03-10 14:19 ` Thomas Leonard
2021-03-10 22:34 ` Alyssa Ross
2021-03-09 16:25 ` New user getting started questions Alyssa Ross
2021-03-13 7:21 ` Thomas Leonard
2021-03-13 13:52 ` Alyssa Ross
2021-10-30 12:58 ` Thomas Leonard
2021-11-03 11:36 ` Alyssa Ross
2021-11-03 18:27 ` Thomas Leonard
2021-11-10 12:58 ` Alyssa Ross
2021-11-10 12:00 ` Thomas Leonard
2021-11-11 11:09 ` Alyssa Ross
2021-11-11 16:12 ` Thomas Leonard [this message]
2021-11-12 10:47 ` Alyssa Ross
2022-03-13 15:08 ` Thomas Leonard
2022-03-15 14:06 ` Alyssa Ross
2022-03-15 20:23 ` Alyssa Ross
2022-03-16 16:18 ` Using virtio-gpu instead of virtwl Thomas Leonard
2022-03-16 16:54 ` Alyssa Ross
2022-03-21 12:10 ` Thomas Leonard
2022-03-21 16:05 ` Alyssa Ross
2022-03-22 11:08 ` Thomas Leonard
2022-03-22 11:16 ` Alyssa Ross
2022-03-22 20:05 ` Thomas Leonard
2022-04-06 12:19 ` Thomas Leonard
2022-04-13 17:12 ` Thomas Leonard
2022-04-14 13:57 ` Alyssa Ross
2022-04-19 12:58 ` Thomas Leonard
2022-04-19 12:01 ` Alyssa Ross
2022-05-15 15:20 ` Thomas Leonard
2022-05-16 11:55 ` Alyssa Ross
2022-05-18 9:55 ` Thomas Leonard
2022-06-05 16:29 ` Thomas Leonard
2022-08-09 12:00 ` Alyssa Ross
2022-10-10 15:16 ` Thomas Leonard
2022-10-10 16:53 ` Alyssa Ross
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