From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on atuin.qyliss.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.6 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix, from userid 496) id 1217520331; Wed, 10 Nov 2021 12:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from atuin.qyliss.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85F7202DC; Wed, 10 Nov 2021 12:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix, from userid 496) id 4F679202D9; Wed, 10 Nov 2021 12:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2837C202D6 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2021 12:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69105C00BC; Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:59:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alyssa.is; h= from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; s=fm1; bh=L+e9oPa3caQOX3yw+oxoekaCuy 9dVwbkvJuzwtXQvGk=; b=jH1OGd3jPhxf0LQAr6ccp8KbfzfhlNcCsnGmxtYhga jKItwZktV5EpTN/JhG8MfjfFepDyk+TCj+Psg0Nltvc9tR4UYGWtJ9vgZXTUEwL0 9dqqm051NfXPbm3dezejYDMGA81elX4AqQjCZtF2S8+05ExdUreL87zJ4NZQ2RUd 8lcEdAFFwY7nI4GEhJXPogCRduUHaM+ZDXwjonCsgco8EiBr3Gyu5R0sCdYf3c0S 1l1aKFRPR8371Y/mUHPY6AEW6NqPItfNzm9AO2QQlTpdP+bFNU/emqAO6873bBeC 024W+bEHOI3toYGFbaGE+9PuxlgA5Ce42lWbXQGdzbqA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=L+e9oP a3caQOX3yw+oxoekaCuy9dVwbkvJuzwtXQvGk=; b=izQwpP6r4YE6NGfNDb8bnu DbEMr+9MtilR3xbcsUewrUfvsi7GMkxJMx4q9hA8NXw8TXvDNPefT6rkqx9tczRr jItLqJkOq6jp6WcDF66KEMc0B22fyOGh1FF18fAj/PcvORgvZO3KMZQO11RF/J5W atz9k27nQlHnwINSrFLEuzlvMSJPaX9zRhE6RfF74NXxTDBV+26wx3+T6md94uZo TqYsTeMC4ImbOyTpslhT6RzFuUynF2238Y+mzeH1c10jgFakJ8Tefak4053sTkno UpDGO39YMlp4tHxVnxESXd3n3ylvtRdCXVd1Q2R7i/6ek5JSkZTgzJvbi/8otvKQ == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvuddrudejgdeghecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufgjfhffkfggtgesghdtreertd dtjeenucfhrhhomheptehlhihsshgrucftohhsshcuoehhihesrghlhihsshgrrdhisheq necuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepheeuffejjeeljeeiledtvdduffetieevudduhefgudejve etjefhffffkeeftddvnecuffhomhgrihhnpehphhhorhhonhhigidrtghomhdpfhhrvggv uggvshhkthhophdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmh grihhlfhhrohhmpehhihesrghlhihsshgrrdhish X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by x220.qyliss.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F26DC1E; Wed, 10 Nov 2021 12:58:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Alyssa Ross To: Thomas Leonard Subject: Re: New user getting started questions In-Reply-To: References: <87ble2czx6.fsf@alyssa.is> <87lfcvn1ln.fsf@alyssa.is> <87bldrn0kh.fsf@alyssa.is> <20210309162556.ctiy3yfp7plkbdqs@x220.qyliss.net> <87o871tqqu.fsf@alyssa.is> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 12:58:48 +0000 Message-ID: <87bl2sp3p3.fsf@alyssa.is> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Message-ID-Hash: BUYB47KGGTVBJSNJLXMDO62PJGW5SJIQ X-Message-ID-Hash: BUYB47KGGTVBJSNJLXMDO62PJGW5SJIQ X-MailFrom: hi@alyssa.is X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-config-1; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Michael Raskin <7c6f434c@mail.ru>, discuss@spectrum-os.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.4 Precedence: list List-Id: General high-level discussion about Spectrum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thomas Leonard writes: > On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 at 11:37, Alyssa Ross wrote: >> >> Have you seen the new mechanism for Wayland over virtio-gpu context >> types that Google are moving towards? It's supported in mainline Linux >> now, and in Sommelier. I'd expect virtio-wl to go away at some point in >> favour of that. > > Ah, is that released already? I saw you mentioned it in your handy > graphics write-up, but I thought it wasn't due until Linux 5.16: > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Dnews_item&px=3DVirtIO-Linux-5.16= -Ctx-Type You're right. They've just made it toLinus's git tree. But they should be ready for testing if you're brave! :P > I don't know any details about it, but unless it's massively more > complicated than virtwl it shouldn't be any trouble to switch to it. > Will be nice not having to port virtwl to each new kernel! >> Also, I've been following some Qubes work recently, and it sounds like >> they might be interested in doing X11 over Wayland in a way that >> wouldn't need special compositor support (and the corresponding >> potential for security bugs). It sounds like it would be a lot of work >> though, so we'll see=E2=80=A6 > > Isn't that what Sommelier and wayland-proxy-virtwl are both doing > already though? There's no need for any X11 support in the host > compositor with them. Oh I didn't realise that. So the host compositor doesn't have to implement an X11 window manager and speak back to the Xserver, like it does in a normal XWayland setup[1]? 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