From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on atuin.qyliss.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.5 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix, from userid 496) id 5FB802506A; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 11:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from atuin.qyliss.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE73D2502D; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 11:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix, from userid 496) id 9955824FFF; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 11:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) by atuin.qyliss.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 980B424FFA for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 11:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214EC5C01F8; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 06:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 11 Nov 2021 06:09:59 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alyssa.is; h= from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; s=fm1; bh=eE4rtp4X33KstUnIuD7A9ymIV0 x1toxg2kQpJRGZudY=; b=IPdxZpvsQoPPi6jg1XcHPA+uIUEKbLr+1n0hqa0G3K 7Ngnxv4jhlbeTGFq4TPUlHKNHMcbYJxhRQsRrEGFACWBdMvZQ9Yt35E+/o6dFbYd /EVQEzwwIqExdxsVj+I9sPhCVYHWjpKmTw2rGIQ4qCnc9fTsucqNRe3EZtWP9pAh vrSPqh9QUTBrs8QE0VaZK1NOMbEGCFE0FPNMoGXMV4Y0xRMPfXymKDlGshR6Tpyl onGkAPcOULvdsoNBv29CysAm73F69euj8h8tWkaHRiTKsxNQuTMtGqkqKYQ7ggAS ROK/qRKCK+kRXy1yRBBtCopeJEnHpyaZ4Uuc/gLTTuSA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=eE4rtp 4X33KstUnIuD7A9ymIV0x1toxg2kQpJRGZudY=; b=RAN/UoNV81bJHophmkMbAI VNZuMLqhvmO9vE7KQKonRRfq+ItpmL4u4KD6g5gZp9oz8+VqML2MX8JOojA4vvsW HXx/kwJNTsAqNma4rLSYwa46eAGFegm4fzuj3GCw6EdUQwAYmuHnAL4PeD4Cc+MK XsYfB+zIfVLWaq/W+1QAk77hZ3GEmxembc7MsSNavmD1sRXUgOnyUEzxjxWL3xii DBtk/r9SsXsV1kEveGdlQP62hGkiGCBLonbdTCwLQrKnTZgYva/4kSpwb3CeslDN t99ZZrZ2bhirW3MH/QlkWOKhFYe08DieXXMIbqvYtik//v8nx3GBWAabMo1mNqDQ == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvuddrvddugddvgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufgjfhffkfggtgesghdtreertd dtjeenucfhrhhomheptehlhihsshgrucftohhsshcuoehhihesrghlhihsshgrrdhisheq necuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepfeekkeefveduffdttdekheefvdeguddttefgjeeuveefje efjeehlefftdekieeunecuffhomhgrihhnpehrohhstghiughushdrtghomhdpfhhrvggv uggvshhkthhophdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmh grihhlfhhrohhmpehhihesrghlhihsshgrrdhish X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 06:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by x220.qyliss.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8A5AB201; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 11:09:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Alyssa Ross To: Thomas Leonard Subject: Re: New user getting started questions In-Reply-To: References: <87ble2czx6.fsf@alyssa.is> <87lfcvn1ln.fsf@alyssa.is> <87bldrn0kh.fsf@alyssa.is> <20210309162556.ctiy3yfp7plkbdqs@x220.qyliss.net> <87o871tqqu.fsf@alyssa.is> <87bl2sp3p3.fsf@alyssa.is> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 11:09:46 +0000 Message-ID: <871r3nq77p.fsf@alyssa.is> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Message-ID-Hash: NX34BGBZYT23FB2JYBKXDF3BYMFY2ZZU X-Message-ID-Hash: NX34BGBZYT23FB2JYBKXDF3BYMFY2ZZU X-MailFrom: hi@alyssa.is X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-config-1; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Michael Raskin <7c6f434c@mail.ru>, discuss@spectrum-os.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.4 Precedence: list List-Id: General high-level discussion about Spectrum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thomas Leonard writes: > On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 at 12:59, Alyssa Ross wrote: >> >> Thomas Leonard writes: >> >> > On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 at 11:37, Alyssa Ross wrote: > [...] >> >> Also, I've been following some Qubes work recently, and it sounds like >> >> they might be interested in doing X11 over Wayland in a way that >> >> wouldn't need special compositor support (and the corresponding >> >> potential for security bugs). It sounds like it would be a lot of wo= rk >> >> though, so we'll see=E2=80=A6 >> > >> > Isn't that what Sommelier and wayland-proxy-virtwl are both doing >> > already though? There's no need for any X11 support in the host >> > compositor with them. >> >> Oh I didn't realise that. So the host compositor doesn't have to >> implement an X11 window manager and speak back to the Xserver, like it >> does in a normal XWayland setup[1]? > > Correct; the proxy acts as the X11 window manager to Xwayland, and > just talks plain Wayland to the host. In fact, I managed to work > around several problems with Sway's built-in Xwayland integration by > using the proxy instead, even on the host (see > https://roscidus.com/blog/blog/2021/10/30/xwayland/#bonus-features). > >> [1]: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/ch05.html#sect-X11-Applic= ation-Support-architecture Ah, I now realise you explained all of this in your blog post. Sorry for the silly questions! By the way, I'm very curious about "[com] is a SpectrumOS VM I use for email, etc.". _I_ don't even consider myself to be running Spectrum, because as far as I'm concerned there's no integrated system to run yet. So what's in that VM that you consider to be Spectrum? :) --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEH9wgcxqlHM/ARR3h+dvtSFmyccAFAmGM+fwACgkQ+dvtSFmy ccAMBg/9GpOUEiqN+T5H40u7NDDSJzIjqYaUa7weu8fP7S00gInv5VRS9ejdjB6N vIMs6ZQjVofd7jbxfFdGV1Dp2pW1wwdSr8UJUq9svZkRew6s8XON15lQHmwNriS5 pUR3aCjucuoGkZC/Vs5hzWgQ+/yaql6+ax0pGIK5uI+u4KUazktAFkgRYfXQCyaJ KY1f4EK6kB5d0weMOcgOHTTTpaPEPYiQWC1hKRz2FynVwh6htA6TpugllHYXtNfK ZLFR7XyIzMWjwidYMGr4syBn0TpEWlC1rJuZ13DasAOyg1odDscUsB2J4j6uaPQ7 R3G860fvyDSN5x3uekPFQjP3cUwUgZFaox6vnP6NES+eXljeytDdoYwZz6+RJPux GSjPoYgARxe6+lOYQvc+oS+b+9RR79gaoryQmEYhQOzpg0ng7TCt8ovbqfZ4TUP+ tMqec2WTrDO+0yK6zq8h7cCXm/JIF2FjVLxjg2TeXdpRxf+H4bGOXkjbTKu4onmO EI/8Iq6wqgWlm+nql9b6xqPC8iKoIVlAj6u9/XdUIfy17VneUxfS5InjNu5J6WXf NTXu9GzGfahsfytG7GqT9Jo1wgTbhYMFmNa61EFKdOtmIPo9DF5QVXaZJZ7RDQDB 2MFIYl0jz6aNwRlf1abUbNPv3lZyJnCSj50aZumfOlAfMH43WB8= =R69v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--